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Past poll: Is it time to go to a single submit form?
http://submatrix.net/c/MatrixDev/JZ5qztaJUw
Future poll: What makes something good? Is it the presence of good or the absence of bad?
https://submatrix.net/c/Philosophy/4HD5BnA9eB
Do Spirits Play a Role in Addiction? - Swedenborg and Life
Similarly, it's generally surprising to recognize that the AA 12 steps to recovering from alcohol addiction discretely includes an exorcism ritual.
You don't have to believe in the Creator...
But it doesn't work unless you ask for help.
Reality is by far more interesting than fiction.
This is just one item on a long list of problems we have in the West.
There are a lot of forces applied to create the individuals and culture (with/without ethics, morals, taboos, etc.) that we live in.
Ultimately it depends on what kind of person you are, how you behave, and what you think and believe - and if society permits freedoms, including the freedom to make mistakes.
Society does not forgive mistakes; it has no empathy or compassion and is driven by envy and hatred of the successful who hide their mistakes.
Society is not a uniform mass, but a swarm of individuals.
That cloud will have more than one viewpoint, just as it has multiple influences and pressure points.
We must be our own resistance to poor culture.
Which is why I fight against Left-Wing culture taught in schools and colleges by indoctrination. Use critical thinking to change viewpoints.
But aren't we a part of society. If you have a capacity for empathy wouldn't that disagree with your claim?
I am rejected by society because I am mentally ill and have compassion and empathy, so society envies and hates me.
If mentally ill have you considered it's all in your head and society just doesnt care about you
No, because other people notice it too. Discrimination against the mentally ill, because they expect the disabled to be in a wheel chair, blind, or deaf, mental illness is something they can't see so they hate it.
You could colour your hair bright pink to make it clear you're mentally unwell.
That's for liberals, I'm a moderate.
That's true
There is no threat to be banished from society anymore. In fact, you can be a drag on society now and still be supported by it. There are too many people to live by the old rules. Eventually, the people who are predisposed to follow norms will stop caring. Then we will put ourselves back into serfdom. I feel like we're voting ourselves into that now.
I vote 'disagree' because:
Hookups are great if the couple is nice and responsible
Hookups are as old as the human species
Anyone around in the 60s or 70s will know that hookups were greatly enjoyed at that time and only criticised mainly after 1981, when there were concerns about HIV and AIDs
Thank Fauci.
It’s harmful to the soul.
So is being an incel.
Do you think an incel ever gets to hookup
Their souls were already messed up. The inceldom is just a symptom.
Not necessarily.
Involuntary could mean more than just an awkward personality.
I live with a family that has a 29 year old son trapped in a wheelchair - a very good lad, but never a catch.
I think this is a case where the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. An incel isn’t just someone who would like to be having sex but isn’t; it’s someone bitter, entitled, with a specific set of beliefs. It’s an archetype, not just a compound word.
Howd they get messed up originally then
Mean Girls tortured them in public school.
Generally. People say we need public school to socialize kids. There is nothing positive about a large scale government mill being kids' primary social framework.
Sure, some of the kids manage to develop natural social skills inspite of an unnatural environment. Some kids manage to find love and get married despite lacking true natural social skills.
But to the extent they do, it's owed to the resilience of human nature. A gratitude to public schools for socializing kids is certainly a mistake.
https://fee.org/articles/new-harvard-study-homeschoolers-turn-out-happy-well-adjusted-and-engaged/
I think pure homeschooling does often have some problems both for eduction and socialization. The fact that inspite of that their standardized test scores are higher and they do better on some other metrics, despite not having access to trained teachers, shows that public schools have a lot more problems with them than we want to admit.
Another problem: centralizing in cities.
Too many fish means folks may always (try to) trade up.
Stuck in a small distant village, either you are the best guy to get the best girl or whatever else shakes out in town within the limitations - but folks will settle down, for better or worse.
I was bullied and picked on at a public school.
Needed a strong father.
I had a strong father, he died though.
That's a shame how old were you . Were you at least a teen?
Strongly agree. Particularly for females. Goes against the vast majority of female instincts.
It also gives males a sense of "put out or I'll just move on to someone who will." Gives males zero incentive to put any effort into a relationship.
The lack of real relationships and co parenting will always be a negative on society.
That being said I'm hardly naive. Hook ups are a thing, have been since the dawn of time. People are people. It's making an accepting culture of it a problem. We need a little shame in this world.
Here's how an incel is formed but uses intelligence to find an alternative.
In horned beetles Onthophagus acuminatus, males that receive high levels of nutrition during development surpass a size threshold above which they develop large horns. Males who do not pass the threshold develop either small or nonexistent horns. These varying phenotypes lead individual males to adopt different mating strategies. Males that develop long horns practice mate guarding, protecting the entrance to the tunnel in which a female is resting or feeding. These males fight any male that attempts to enter. This is common in populations where females are dispersed and have synchronized periods of fertility, and in those where females live in clusters that can be guarded to maintain access to more than one female. Smaller males with small or no horns have little chance of beating larger males, and thus adopt an alternative sneaking strategy, digging a new tunnel to intercept the female's tunnel without being noticed by the guarding male. Both of these strategies are reproductively effective for the males practicing them, resulting in a dimorphic male population.[4]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_mating_strategy?wprov=sfti1#Evolutionarily_stable_strategy
But neither is celebate. You even said both reproductive strategies are viable.
Well in this example the incel Beatle sneaks into a woman's home and rapes her. You can see how that happens with other animals and humans.
Did he? Is the female beetle avoiding him? From your text the only creature's will that was violated is the larger male's.
Are beetles capable of consent? Maybe it's an open question if consent is purely a human concept used for human inter-relation. Consent is a non-concept for most of the animal kingdom, even including most mammals. So it certainly is a non-concept among beetles. She got offspring. Even offspring from a mate that has a viable reproduction strategy. Humans don't like it. But that's because we're human where consent does exist and is important. Not even all humans are said to have a capacity for consent. Not as a matter of meeting the standard of informed consent, but consent broadly. There is no way a beetle can give consent or non-consent.
lol that female Beetle doesn't want some guy with a little horn or worse, no horn at all! But yeah if they can't think about consent it's not quite the same as with humans. Insects are pretty smart but I don't know how smart.
Hookup culture in humans, where the alpha men get the women. Ask this question to that alpha male and he'll say it's great. All the good genes get continued in society.
With those beetles they use intelligence to tunnel around, they're smart enough to do that. So then intelligence genes continue on the beetles. So hookup culture is bad in humans if it keeps intelligent incel genes from spreading. That's why I wanted to compare it to the beetle example. And notice low nutrition during development is what causes this inceldom. A solution is there.
The small horn beetles may simply be a symptom of circumstance, not poor genes.
If anything, the big horn is an evolutionary symbol of a priority for nutrition - plus the backup persistence loophole to propagate regardless.
Alpha men may get some of the best "action", but they may or may not prosper like anyone, despite their advantages. And women may not get the full attention they want from the alpha men - so inevitably they'll resort to less-than-alphas. It's never all or nothing for the general public - though Involuntarily Celibate folks have much bigger issues.
Something else
Hypergamy is women doing what they want with no control . That's good and bad. Harmful to society? What is society. men? No men are just part of society. It increases competition for the precious natural resource that is women. Competition is part of evolution.