I think it's one of several important developments of the past 45+ years, all of which founded on the control of the US geopolitical narrative in the US:
1
Israeli/Arab conflicts from the late 19th century until 1948 escalated in that year when the Rothschilds got the UK to give Israel to eastern Europeans. Since then, Israel - primarily with US support - has slaughtered millions of people in the region, on the pretext that they have been victims of small (mysteriously funded) groups in each of the countries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab–Israeli_conflict
2
The US, Israel and European military industrial complexes profited in the $Trillions, especially post-Cold War.
3
Since the 1970s, the Anti-Defamation League, known for its pro-Israel advocacy, has promoted the concept of a new antisemitism, describing criticism of Israel or opposition to Zionism as antisemitic. After the 1967 Arab–Israeli War, the ADL, with the support of AIPAC founder Isaiah L. Kenen, "sought to portray certain 'anti-Israel' actions as anti-Semitic," especially with regard to international calls for Israel to end its occupation of the West Bank, according to historian Ilan Pappé.source
4
The exponential increase of US lobbying as a formal profession to support pay-to-play politics since 1980.
5
The forced Fairness Doctrine expiration in 1987, starting the spread of right wing lies in US news-related media.
6
Israel (and US) has slaughtered and carpet bombed Lebanese in 1978–2000, 2006, 2023–present.
7
The 2001 9/11 attacks and subsequent MOSSAD "intelligence" (lies) that drew the US, UK and others into the Iraq war (for Israel) and Afghanistan war, to attack groups that the US and Israel helped form (Taliban, Al Queda, Ba'ath Party, et al).
8
Citizens United v. FEC (2010) and a corrupt Supreme Court enable corporate & PAC investing in politicians and PR (misinformation) and voting machines while hiding identities, killing any hope in realistic election reform. A small number of prople can control elections.
9
That same small group of people benefit today from the election of Trump (as head puppet, among other obvious puppets in the Executive Branch) and THEIR implementation Project 2025, and $billions in tax breaks, and massive military projects in the middle east for Israel.
10
The US is at war because it benefits a few wealthy people who helped elect the head puppet, a Republican-controlled Congress and Supreme Court, and have implemented Project 2025 are controlling the narrative about Israel's central role in US geopolitics and narratives about it. When one follows the money back through Epstein's connections, through the Panama papers, and back though the Rothschilds' connections, dating back to the 18th century, it makes sense.
I appreciate the frustration with the US 2-party system, and the way the older Democrats have been corrupt, but I am compelled to argue (sorry if this seems confrontational) that the phrase, "both parties are the same" is not only without IMO a realistic basis, it is frequently used by voters for Republicans in order to defend against accusations of wrongdoing by creating a "false balance". One can look at the votes on legislation for the basic evidence. Rather than write out more of this for an hour, here is a quick online summary of ways to answer the claim:
Highlight Core Policy Differences (2025–2026)
Focus on specific areas where the parties hold diametrically opposed positions:
Healthcare: Democrats generally advocate for strengthening the Affordable Care Act and expanding public options, while Republicans often focus on dismantling it, expanding private-sector solutions, and reducing federal spending on programs like Medicaid.
Taxes and Economy: Republicans typically push for lower corporate taxes and supply-side economics (tax cuts to stimulate growth), whereas Democrats advocate for higher taxes on high earners and corporations to fund social programs and infrastructure.
Social Issues: The parties differ deeply on LGBTQ+ rights, reproductive rights, and racial justice. Democrats generally fight for federal protections, while Republicans prioritize religious liberty exceptions and state-level restrictions.
Environmental Policy: Democrats treat climate change as an emergency, supporting green energy initiatives. Republicans typically prioritize energy independence through increased oil and gas production (drilling) and reduce environmental regulations.
Argue Based on "Actions Over Rhetoric"
If the person argues that neither side fixes issues like campaign finance, show that voting records differ:
Voting Records: Point out that on major legislation (e.g., the Inflation Reduction Act, the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act), the vast majority of Democrats voted one way, while the majority of Republicans voted another.
Judicial Appointments: Highlight the dramatic difference in the types of judges appointed to federal courts (including the Supreme Court) by Democratic versus Republican presidents.
Campaign Finance Reform: Point out that in past legislative attempts, such as the McCain-Feingold campaign finance reform, one party often provides the bulk of support while the other opposes it.
Acknowledge Their Point (Then Pivot)
Acknowledge that both parties are part of a competitive, often dysfunctional system, but argue that the outcomes of their policies are vastly different.
"I understand why you feel that way—both parties raise money from the same types of donors. But if you look at the actual laws they pass, the differences in healthcare access or environmental protection are huge."
"They might be similar in their thirst for power, but their ideas for America are polar opposites. One party wants more federal regulation, the other wants less."
Focus on Judicial and Social Impact
Argue that the differences are not just economic, but existential, particularly regarding rights.
"Look at the Supreme Court. The appointments made by Republican presidents have reversed decades of precedent on issues like abortion access, while Democratic appointments aim to protect those rights. It’s hard to call them the same when the reality of your rights changes depending on who holds the Senate."
Ask Questions to Narrow the Claim
"On which issues do you think they are the same?"
"If both are the same, does it matter to you that one party focuses on banning books and the other focuses on banning certain types of guns? Those seem like very different priorities."
I suppose I could mention the genuine support of Israels genocides by Republicans. Democrats are the only group with a large portion of constituency - especially in Gen Z - that are against the genocides.
I am compelled to argue [...] the phrase, "both parties are the same"
I never said that.
You are arguing the strawman you erected to grandstand against by repeating official narratives.
Further, it's oversimplifying the complex tribalist controligarchy systems of their mind controls.
Democrats advocate for a lot of stuff and accomplish nothing. Same with Republicans. Most notably when they have a clear majority to do whatever they want - yet only maintain the status quo.
It is a Uniparty and both sides play the political theatre.
Do we really need to argue the difference between 'uniparty' and 'both parties are the same' and the 'the complex tribalist controligarchy systems of their mind controls' and 'all governments are evil mafias'? All of that, as you say, oversimplifies a discussion about politics.
It's also not true that "Democrats advocate for a lot of stuff and accomplish nothing." Democrat-controlled governments are famous for investing in the 99%, paying the national debt, increasing jobs, arranging healthcare, and much more, as noted further above. Republicans don't do any of that. Their focus has been on deregulation and tax cuts for the wealthy, cutting healthcare, and starting extremely expensive wars, racking up a massive national debt. As you say, Republicans do whatever they want when they have a majority. You also link to a Princeton study that proves that point of what a Republican-controlled Congress does, and follow it up with a note on corruption, which is what we see today in the US governemnt. Did we see that level of corruption during Clinton, Obama and Biden presidencies? No, today's corrupiton is far worse. We're not that much in disagreement.
Nobody denies that there is political theatre and propaganda.
You can continue saying that all governments are evil, but that's not the issue. I'm discussing the differences between the two main US political parties, for the purpose of learning from their actions and to look at solutions. According to your post, it seems to me you're also interested in this history and what it might mean for the way forward.
I am not ignoring Republican accomplishments. As I've noted, they've succeeded in giving themselves and corporations $trillions in handouts, while starting horrific wars, at the expense of the 99%. We've seen 45 years of it. Democrat-controlled governments have paid down that debt every time. It's easy to see that Republicans have corrupted government, with the help of some of the older Dems.
On the substantial issues, you can see above my points about those differences.
You're reference to Agenda 2030 is about the UN.
So instead of hating the bankster-corporatocracy-ruling Epstein class manipulating the strings just keep on hating their left or right puppets.
We're not discussing hatred.
We're discussing the cause of war with Iran and the differences between US political parties, and that one of those parties is largely responsible for the cause of the war with Iran, to do that for Israel, at the expense of the US. I think this post is very important, as it addresses the core problems of greed, authoritarianism and military profiteering, primarily by Republicans. Because "those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" (Santayana).
No, when you argue that Democrats are just like Republicans, you are supporting a false claim that's promoted by Republicans, to (1) deflect criticisms of Republicans, to (2) appeal to disillusioned voters, and to (3) simplify the message for simpler minds. It's one of the lies that works very well in elections, as we've seen. It's also why we're seeing the evil that we are in the Republican-controlled government. There's no soapbox here in my arguments, no simplifications, and no discussion of a 'lesser evil'. We're both interested in politics, it seems to me. Hence we both might want to discuss solutions.
you are supporting a false claim that's promoted by Republicans
Soapy socks and lies.
Don't lump me in with narrow binary political tribalism and authoritarianism.
I neither support nor promote Republicans or Democrats.
Fuck both of them.
Fuck dishonesty harder.
You're dishonest to yourself.
You know I'm not socks. You also did not refute any of my points in this thread with your own logical evidence and arguments. You merely spew hatred at everything I've kindly spent hours typing in the last couple days. Your consistent argument is that all governments are evil. Anyone can say that there is evil in many governments. It's like saying repeatedly that water is wet. But the point of your post and the start of the thread is to address what started the war in Iran, and what are the differences between two political parties. And this is your consistent response, to refer to me as a different user, to claim that the two-party political system in the US is merely an assumption of a 'tribalist' (whatever that is) and an 'authoritarian', to mention an off-topic point about what you do not support and that you don't like them, and to mention another off-topic insult about dishonesty, and to claim that I am being dishonest to myself (again without logical arguments or evidence, and now you want a poll, among 5 users, for some reason.
The facts are that: I kindly responded to your post and comments with logical arguments and evidence about what started the war and what the obvious differences are in the US two-party system. All of my replies have been respectful and informative. Your replies to me are uninformative, false, combative, insulting, and never consider solutions, logic, facts or evidence.
So what am I to make of all of this? You seen to appreciate elsewhere that what Israel is doing is evil, while not appreciating that Israel can do all of that because of a Republican-controlled US government. Who is being disingenuous in this thread? Do you know what started the war with Iran? Do you know the differences are between the US political parties? Those have been our two topics, and I am the only one who genuinely addressed them in detail, with logical arguments and evidence. I helped you with that information. And now this is your response.
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Added: 3/28/2026, 5:58:59 PM
Posted: 4/20/2026, 9:32:20 AM
Almost a month, it was posted in three weeks.
I think it's one of several important developments of the past 45+ years, all of which founded on the control of the US geopolitical narrative in the US:
1
Israeli/Arab conflicts from the late 19th century until 1948 escalated in that year when the Rothschilds got the UK to give Israel to eastern Europeans. Since then, Israel - primarily with US support - has slaughtered millions of people in the region, on the pretext that they have been victims of small (mysteriously funded) groups in each of the countries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab–Israeli_conflict
2
The US, Israel and European military industrial complexes profited in the $Trillions, especially post-Cold War.
3
4
The exponential increase of US lobbying as a formal profession to support pay-to-play politics since 1980.
5
The forced Fairness Doctrine expiration in 1987, starting the spread of right wing lies in US news-related media.
6
Israel (and US) has slaughtered and carpet bombed Lebanese in 1978–2000, 2006, 2023–present.
7
The 2001 9/11 attacks and subsequent MOSSAD "intelligence" (lies) that drew the US, UK and others into the Iraq war (for Israel) and Afghanistan war, to attack groups that the US and Israel helped form (Taliban, Al Queda, Ba'ath Party, et al).
8
Citizens United v. FEC (2010) and a corrupt Supreme Court enable corporate & PAC investing in politicians and PR (misinformation) and voting machines while hiding identities, killing any hope in realistic election reform. A small number of prople can control elections.
9
That same small group of people benefit today from the election of Trump (as head puppet, among other obvious puppets in the Executive Branch) and THEIR implementation Project 2025, and $billions in tax breaks, and massive military projects in the middle east for Israel.
10
The US is at war because it benefits a few wealthy people who helped elect the head puppet, a Republican-controlled Congress and Supreme Court, and have implemented Project 2025 are controlling the narrative about Israel's central role in US geopolitics and narratives about it. When one follows the money back through Epstein's connections, through the Panama papers, and back though the Rothschilds' connections, dating back to the 18th century, it makes sense.
I'm sure I've left something out.
Sounds good.
It's not about Republicans.
It is a Uniparty and both sides play the political theatre.
There is no lesser evil.
You may or may not want to also consider:
The ADL and KKK, born of the same murder, 100 years ago - How a scandalous Memorial Day strangling led Jews and anti-Semites to rethink survival strategies and form two stalwart organizations ~ Matt Lebovic, 27 May 2013, TimesOfIsrael.com
Dynamic Silence
There are over 80 ways to manipulate voters, steal elections, and rig politics.
Thanks for the links. I'll take a look.
I appreciate the frustration with the US 2-party system, and the way the older Democrats have been corrupt, but I am compelled to argue (sorry if this seems confrontational) that the phrase, "both parties are the same" is not only without IMO a realistic basis, it is frequently used by voters for Republicans in order to defend against accusations of wrongdoing by creating a "false balance". One can look at the votes on legislation for the basic evidence. Rather than write out more of this for an hour, here is a quick online summary of ways to answer the claim:
Focus on specific areas where the parties hold diametrically opposed positions:
Healthcare: Democrats generally advocate for strengthening the Affordable Care Act and expanding public options, while Republicans often focus on dismantling it, expanding private-sector solutions, and reducing federal spending on programs like Medicaid.
Taxes and Economy: Republicans typically push for lower corporate taxes and supply-side economics (tax cuts to stimulate growth), whereas Democrats advocate for higher taxes on high earners and corporations to fund social programs and infrastructure.
Social Issues: The parties differ deeply on LGBTQ+ rights, reproductive rights, and racial justice. Democrats generally fight for federal protections, while Republicans prioritize religious liberty exceptions and state-level restrictions.
Environmental Policy: Democrats treat climate change as an emergency, supporting green energy initiatives. Republicans typically prioritize energy independence through increased oil and gas production (drilling) and reduce environmental regulations.
If the person argues that neither side fixes issues like campaign finance, show that voting records differ:
Voting Records: Point out that on major legislation (e.g., the Inflation Reduction Act, the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act), the vast majority of Democrats voted one way, while the majority of Republicans voted another.
Judicial Appointments: Highlight the dramatic difference in the types of judges appointed to federal courts (including the Supreme Court) by Democratic versus Republican presidents.
Campaign Finance Reform: Point out that in past legislative attempts, such as the McCain-Feingold campaign finance reform, one party often provides the bulk of support while the other opposes it.
Acknowledge that both parties are part of a competitive, often dysfunctional system, but argue that the outcomes of their policies are vastly different.
"I understand why you feel that way—both parties raise money from the same types of donors. But if you look at the actual laws they pass, the differences in healthcare access or environmental protection are huge."
"They might be similar in their thirst for power, but their ideas for America are polar opposites. One party wants more federal regulation, the other wants less."
Argue that the differences are not just economic, but existential, particularly regarding rights.
"Look at the Supreme Court. The appointments made by Republican presidents have reversed decades of precedent on issues like abortion access, while Democratic appointments aim to protect those rights. It’s hard to call them the same when the reality of your rights changes depending on who holds the Senate."
"On which issues do you think they are the same?"
"If both are the same, does it matter to you that one party focuses on banning books and the other focuses on banning certain types of guns? Those seem like very different priorities."
I suppose I could mention the genuine support of Israels genocides by Republicans. Democrats are the only group with a large portion of constituency - especially in Gen Z - that are against the genocides.
I never said that.
You are arguing the strawman you erected to grandstand against by repeating official narratives.
Further, it's oversimplifying the complex tribalist controligarchy systems of their mind controls.
Democrats advocate for a lot of stuff and accomplish nothing. Same with Republicans. Most notably when they have a clear majority to do whatever they want - yet only maintain the status quo.
If you want it simplified - a Princeton study stated political inequality leaves the mass majority irrelevant on policies without influence under the Oligarchy.
The corrupt matrix of rigged systems is not broken.
It operates as intended.
What are the odds?
99% in favour for the wealthy.
ALL governments are evil mafias.
Do we really need to argue the difference between 'uniparty' and 'both parties are the same' and the 'the complex tribalist controligarchy systems of their mind controls' and 'all governments are evil mafias'? All of that, as you say, oversimplifies a discussion about politics.
It's also not true that "Democrats advocate for a lot of stuff and accomplish nothing." Democrat-controlled governments are famous for investing in the 99%, paying the national debt, increasing jobs, arranging healthcare, and much more, as noted further above. Republicans don't do any of that. Their focus has been on deregulation and tax cuts for the wealthy, cutting healthcare, and starting extremely expensive wars, racking up a massive national debt. As you say, Republicans do whatever they want when they have a majority. You also link to a Princeton study that proves that point of what a Republican-controlled Congress does, and follow it up with a note on corruption, which is what we see today in the US governemnt. Did we see that level of corruption during Clinton, Obama and Biden presidencies? No, today's corrupiton is far worse. We're not that much in disagreement.
Maybe instead of supporting corrupt tribal teams you need to recognize that it's all political theatre and propaganda.
You're choosing to only see the Democrat "accomplishments" and ignore the Republican "accomplishments".
(Democrats, and Republicans, don't do what you claim either. Yes, the Clinton, Obama, and Biden regimes were also corrupt and murderous as fuck.)
Meanwhile, on the actually substantial issues they are in lockstep for lockdowns, war, housing problems, food crises, inflation, etc. etc. etc.
Their Agenda 2030 marches on regardless of minor wins by the Left or Right.
So instead of hating the bankster-corporatocracy-ruling Epstein class manipulating the strings, just keep on hating their left or right puppets.
Nobody denies that there is political theatre and propaganda.
You can continue saying that all governments are evil, but that's not the issue. I'm discussing the differences between the two main US political parties, for the purpose of learning from their actions and to look at solutions. According to your post, it seems to me you're also interested in this history and what it might mean for the way forward.
I am not ignoring Republican accomplishments. As I've noted, they've succeeded in giving themselves and corporations $trillions in handouts, while starting horrific wars, at the expense of the 99%. We've seen 45 years of it. Democrat-controlled governments have paid down that debt every time. It's easy to see that Republicans have corrupted government, with the help of some of the older Dems.
On the substantial issues, you can see above my points about those differences.
You're reference to Agenda 2030 is about the UN.
We're not discussing hatred.
We're discussing the cause of war with Iran and the differences between US political parties, and that one of those parties is largely responsible for the cause of the war with Iran, to do that for Israel, at the expense of the US. I think this post is very important, as it addresses the core problems of greed, authoritarianism and military profiteering, primarily by Republicans. Because "those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" (Santayana).
There's no other bigger issue.
No. You're on a soapbox talking about what you want to say, supporting "lesser" evil.
No, when you argue that Democrats are just like Republicans, you are supporting a false claim that's promoted by Republicans, to (1) deflect criticisms of Republicans, to (2) appeal to disillusioned voters, and to (3) simplify the message for simpler minds. It's one of the lies that works very well in elections, as we've seen. It's also why we're seeing the evil that we are in the Republican-controlled government. There's no soapbox here in my arguments, no simplifications, and no discussion of a 'lesser evil'. We're both interested in politics, it seems to me. Hence we both might want to discuss solutions.
Soapy socks and lies.
Don't lump me in with narrow binary political tribalism and authoritarianism.
I neither support nor promote Republicans or Democrats.
Fuck both of them.
Fuck dishonesty harder.
You're dishonest to yourself.
Put this to a poll.
You know I'm not socks. You also did not refute any of my points in this thread with your own logical evidence and arguments. You merely spew hatred at everything I've kindly spent hours typing in the last couple days. Your consistent argument is that all governments are evil. Anyone can say that there is evil in many governments. It's like saying repeatedly that water is wet. But the point of your post and the start of the thread is to address what started the war in Iran, and what are the differences between two political parties. And this is your consistent response, to refer to me as a different user, to claim that the two-party political system in the US is merely an assumption of a 'tribalist' (whatever that is) and an 'authoritarian', to mention an off-topic point about what you do not support and that you don't like them, and to mention another off-topic insult about dishonesty, and to claim that I am being dishonest to myself (again without logical arguments or evidence, and now you want a poll, among 5 users, for some reason.
The facts are that: I kindly responded to your post and comments with logical arguments and evidence about what started the war and what the obvious differences are in the US two-party system. All of my replies have been respectful and informative. Your replies to me are uninformative, false, combative, insulting, and never consider solutions, logic, facts or evidence.
So what am I to make of all of this? You seen to appreciate elsewhere that what Israel is doing is evil, while not appreciating that Israel can do all of that because of a Republican-controlled US government. Who is being disingenuous in this thread? Do you know what started the war with Iran? Do you know the differences are between the US political parties? Those have been our two topics, and I am the only one who genuinely addressed them in detail, with logical arguments and evidence. I helped you with that information. And now this is your response.