Can I be honest? Not singing I'd opt into hearing. Also, not a great song selection for a trafficked child bride to sing. I feel like television is just trying to maximize cringe sometimes.
Thanks for the info. I've not seen the series and don't know the story. I sense the potential irony and tragedy of the story by seeing the performance and reactions. [edit - as I check for more information I see now why I would not have watched this sad show] And I'll admit I posted it in memory of the actress, who died of complications caused by meningitis. She was obviously quite talented. Something struck me about the way she's been remembered by many (on X) who chose this song as part of the memory of her. I think she was 15 when she sang this, if my math is correct. Haunting. Perhaps r/music isn't the ideal place for this, but my taste in music is nothing if not eclectic.
Yeah. Maybe I was too harsh. It's not against you. I've just picked up on patterns in modern tv, and especially crime shows. These shows do such a good job of hitting every possible checkbox for maximizing cringe that it can't not be intentional.
I think what they've figured out is that cringe is a guarenteed way to make the viewer feel something. And then they can make a failed attempt to program the viewer to label the emotion something else with priming. Apparently this doesn't fail for some people and this ends up being their viewers. These shows can't relabel it for me. I know what emotion I'm feeling.
Basically they view cringe as emotion bucks that they can draw on with crayon to be whatever else they want it to be, like a kid trying to convert pasos to dollars.
Clearly I hate modern writing. Also, was that one dude wearing black contact lenses to make the scene look more intense? No one told the director he isn't shooting X-files. I want to know the backstory of a half chupacabre detective.
These shows do such a good job of hitting every possible checkbox for maximizing cringe that it can't not be intentional.
Formulaic.
I know nothing of this show, the criteria checked, or even their production process with overt or covert formulas - but they certainly exist in practice (no shortage of cookie cutter content), in theory (ie. Bechdel test), and ever so many good and bad books about filmmaking and media creation.
Not just cringe emotions. All the emotions. Our culture is hooked on them, for commercials, politics, and all the inevitably related entertainments. Emotions are a poor substitute for reason and an easy way to manipulate and control folks. Especially stupid people (half of everyone is stupider than average, and most are close to average).
Not gonna lie. I hope to tap into emotional states to complement my content - but the grammar, logic, and premise foundations must come first before the rhetoric that may be emotionally charged.
Sort of related: If you've seen the genre-mashup trailers where they take a horror movie and present it as a romantic-comedy movie trailer, then you can see how things can be inversely manipulated - just like the "official narrative" is usually inversed.
Great points. (I didn't take anything personally.) I agree with the maximised cringe productions, as there are several shows that seem to fit this category. 'Big Love' was lucky to get such amazing actors and writers, and it seems they attack and expose Mormon-ish and cult polygamy groups (one of which was famous before this series appeared). But I don't know why that kind of topic is interesting to people, if not for the cringe. It's the ugliest of humanity, used for a drama, and thus made into entertainment. And it seems that Chase's character is so brainwashed that she becomes a sociopath in the story. Hence anyone familiar with that plot would naturally think it's the most repulsive of situations. That's also one reason I've not watched it. I wonder what prompted the writers to create a character arc of child victim to eventual abuser and sociopath. Sociopathy (ASPD) is widely considered to be a learned trait. Anyhow, the cringe aspects of the performance are indeed unfortunate, in afterthought. RIP, Ms Chase.
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Can I be honest? Not singing I'd opt into hearing. Also, not a great song selection for a trafficked child bride to sing. I feel like television is just trying to maximize cringe sometimes.
Thanks for the info. I've not seen the series and don't know the story. I sense the potential irony and tragedy of the story by seeing the performance and reactions. [edit - as I check for more information I see now why I would not have watched this sad show] And I'll admit I posted it in memory of the actress, who died of complications caused by meningitis. She was obviously quite talented. Something struck me about the way she's been remembered by many (on X) who chose this song as part of the memory of her. I think she was 15 when she sang this, if my math is correct. Haunting. Perhaps r/music isn't the ideal place for this, but my taste in music is nothing if not eclectic.
Yeah. Maybe I was too harsh. It's not against you. I've just picked up on patterns in modern tv, and especially crime shows. These shows do such a good job of hitting every possible checkbox for maximizing cringe that it can't not be intentional.
I think what they've figured out is that cringe is a guarenteed way to make the viewer feel something. And then they can make a failed attempt to program the viewer to label the emotion something else with priming. Apparently this doesn't fail for some people and this ends up being their viewers. These shows can't relabel it for me. I know what emotion I'm feeling.
Basically they view cringe as emotion bucks that they can draw on with crayon to be whatever else they want it to be, like a kid trying to convert pasos to dollars.
Clearly I hate modern writing. Also, was that one dude wearing black contact lenses to make the scene look more intense? No one told the director he isn't shooting X-files. I want to know the backstory of a half chupacabre detective.
Formulaic.
I know nothing of this show, the criteria checked, or even their production process with overt or covert formulas - but they certainly exist in practice (no shortage of cookie cutter content), in theory (ie. Bechdel test), and ever so many good and bad books about filmmaking and media creation.
Not just cringe emotions. All the emotions. Our culture is hooked on them, for commercials, politics, and all the inevitably related entertainments. Emotions are a poor substitute for reason and an easy way to manipulate and control folks. Especially stupid people (half of everyone is stupider than average, and most are close to average).
Not gonna lie. I hope to tap into emotional states to complement my content - but the grammar, logic, and premise foundations must come first before the rhetoric that may be emotionally charged.
Sort of related: If you've seen the genre-mashup trailers where they take a horror movie and present it as a romantic-comedy movie trailer, then you can see how things can be inversely manipulated - just like the "official narrative" is usually inversed.
Great points. (I didn't take anything personally.) I agree with the maximised cringe productions, as there are several shows that seem to fit this category. 'Big Love' was lucky to get such amazing actors and writers, and it seems they attack and expose Mormon-ish and cult polygamy groups (one of which was famous before this series appeared). But I don't know why that kind of topic is interesting to people, if not for the cringe. It's the ugliest of humanity, used for a drama, and thus made into entertainment. And it seems that Chase's character is so brainwashed that she becomes a sociopath in the story. Hence anyone familiar with that plot would naturally think it's the most repulsive of situations. That's also one reason I've not watched it. I wonder what prompted the writers to create a character arc of child victim to eventual abuser and sociopath. Sociopathy (ASPD) is widely considered to be a learned trait. Anyhow, the cringe aspects of the performance are indeed unfortunate, in afterthought. RIP, Ms Chase.
Woah. There are 5 seasons of it.
Meningitus is rebranded polio.
Ween - Spinal Meningitis (Got Me Down) (2:53)