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The Post Whenever feature now gives every queued post two points to start.
This is a good incentive to get more people to populate the whenever queue. Then we can get more posts in total.
Why post one song from a band when you can post five? Whenever queue will dole them out.
Queuing posts also keeps the platform’s flow steady, not just random bursts of high activity. More critically it helps the front page never be dead.
Your browsing history is probably full of things worth sharing. Take a look. I'm sure in the last week there are some absolute bangers.
Also I made it more fair. I had only partially applied something I wrote before to make it more fair.
I also fixed a fairness bug. Before, the first post after a restart used a less even-handed picker:
setTimeout(()=>{
submitonedelayedpost();
setInterval(moreFairSumbitOneDelayedPost,postwheneverrate);
},Math.floor(postwheneverrate*Math.random()));
As you can see the first post whenever after a process restart is calling the less fair version.
sync function submitonedelayedpost() {
var row = await db.random('postwhenever');
if(!row) return;
return makePostFromWheneverRow(row);
}
Now it only uses the more fair picker.
setTimeout(()=>{
moreFairSumbitOneDelayedPost();
setInterval(moreFairSumbitOneDelayedPost,postwheneverrate);
},Math.floor(postwheneverrate*Math.random()));
The more users I have represented in that queue the faster I can make the post whenever queue go.
It adds more friction when users need to manually think about whether to post immediately or queue it. I think it's better to create a unified post button that checks if the user has posted anything within the last 12 hours, and in that case, it puts it in the queue and redirects to the whenever queue and scrolls all the way down to still present the post (instead of it feeling like it got lost in a black hole). Then at the bottom of the entry there should be a button that says post immediately, this should be visible for all of one's own posts in the post queue. Next to the button there should be a question mark which explains why it was put in the queue when hovered over, requesting the user to leave it there but ultimately leaving it up to them. This way there's less to think about during posting but the end user is still in control ultimately.
Or consider using a hybrid post button (like above) and a post immediately button both at the submit link / text post page. But my point is make the hybrid button the main thing. This is a step in the right direction regardless I'm just thinking it's something extra to explain to users.
Also the Reddit algorithm already corrects for bursts of activity by basing newness on how new a post is compared to other posts, so if nothing new gets posted for 48 hours, the frontpage stays exactly the same. I believe Randall Munroe explained it on his blog although it might've been someone else it's just a jewgle search away also we've talked about this before. But it should be easy to implement it that way right?
Stepping back and looking at the 30 thousand foot view:
This Post-Whenever feature is micromanaging a "problem" that won't exist if/when the site is bigger with many users posting a lot.
We should focus more on actively growing the community instead. For example...
We don't even have a Comments feed to cultivate more interaction and community building. People can post here but not be aware of anything else going on unless it's in the feed or a direct response. It would also be nice to isolate a user's comments histories too (adjacent to the vanity page I recently mentioned).
I've recently mentioned several other ways to engage and grow community, but most require much work with no guarantees. And I'm sure we can come up with other ideas too.
If/when the site is bigger none of this will be important. Let's skip the minor stuff and work on making it great again.
Yes and no. It's takes no great mental effort, but it is a thing - like voting. It's a good habit that folks need to practice and see benefits and improvement. Perhaps a tag (if only we had meta-tags) or a flare badge to indicate which posts were Post-Whenever.
We need a better name than "Post-Whenever" - especially if I ever want to refer folks to something in my "Timed-Algo-Release-Drop-Que" feed that hasn't been posted. TARD-Que for short. Or whatever name we come up with.
I'm not entirely clear what you were meaning, but this makes me think that letting the OP explain why they are using the TARD-Que feature with some easy check-box options - ie. 1) to spread out a batch of posts, 2) low priority post, 3) developing story, 4) old news, 5) general reference, 6) non-urgent entertainment, 7) other.
@x0x7
I like your suggestions. I actually like Reddit-like communities because they encourage the creator to grow it, thus they will help us with that task. It'd be good to strategize about growing the community and identify what needs to change before we do that. I feel like right now x0x7 just adds the features he feels most motivated for at any moment, and that's good because that gives us this steady pace of website development, but he has indicated that we can vote on the changes we want to see next. All my previous posts have been brainstorming sessions. I still haven't created a thread which is about prioritizing. I can do that next month.
Your name is great but it should be stylized 'tard queue imo.
He fails to get basic chicken and egg problems. The site is more promotable the more healty the front page looks. The larger user base doesn't exist now so I have to figure out how get more equivalent front page health out of fewer users. He keeps saying he doesn't understand what the post whenever feature is for when I've explained that idea to him 1000 times and he still doesn't get it. He only gets the ideas in his head and he reads past anything anyone else writes.
To promote the website I need a higher conversion rate on people who click in to want to use it. To get a higher conversion rate I need the site to look better. For the site to look better it needs to have fewer slow periods. I also need to find a way to get 5x the post volume out of the existing user base but not have them blow it on one sprint.
I also need the most sharable posts, dev posts, to not have instant complaining about whatever is done. He's not willing to put in the kind of effort any of his suggestions take or even do one iota of his own suggestions for movie night. I literally give him the space to make movie discussion which he demands we should have. Does he lead those movie discussions. No. He complains that other people are doing things wrong because they didn't do that. Then when the irony is pointed out then maybe he does it.
Larry. I'm tired of taking demands from low effort people who only know how to complain and shit up any dev post I made with the most retarded shit possible. Literally I can't share this thread on other sites. Which means I can't promote the site in the most effective way possible (dev posts) which means I can't even do the thing he's demanding.. grow the user base so we don't need post whenever to improve front page health. He sabatoges the very things he wants to happen because he can't see how things are connected. And if he can't see it then it's just dumb.
DWB was right. I can't get this site to take off as long as Jason is around. He told me to ban him. I wouldn't do that because I'm a free speech site, so I told DWB to get lost because he was as much a problem. But as much as DWB was a problem it doesn't mean he wasn't right.
Here's the real problem. I've managed to make a site that attracted people with alzimers like mental conditions. And I don't know how to make it not a shit show.
This is where one idea I had that you disliked shows it's utility and maybe you'll agree or disagree now. I said I need to find a way to appeal to a younger audience. This is why.
What a waste of a thread. I could have shared this dev post on other sites, had maybe a few people say "aw, I'll try this post whenever thing then." And got the outcome I was driving for, a few people to help populate it.
Ok. I snapped. But it's frustrating as hell and it's been going on for a while now. For personal reasons I need to be putting half the time I am into development, like products I need to put real time into that have revenue involved, and I need to get maximal utility out of every dev post I make and so we are only ever going to get small adjustments at a time. Even if I made big efforts every big effort is made of small ones and I might as well dev-blog all of them to get more sharable content.. but every one of them isn't going to be good enough to not get sabotaged.
This is the problem with people with alzheimers. They can't pick up on social cues. They can't see the program other people are trying to run and play along. And even if you are hella explicit with the social cues to the point they get it they won't retain them so there is no point.
If I'm going to have one bad thread where I actually say what I think I might as well say it all. Might as well have bad PR in one spot.
I am also concerned about this. The aesthetics needs much work too.
Wrong. I get it. It's a nice idea for a small-community site, maybe even for a small-community feed. What I haven't seen you share is how the algo is rigged - in clear non-code English. I haven't seen is an explanation why you won't make the "Post-Whenever" work individually rather than collectively. And it still doesn't work effectively.
That's why I keep requesting a "New Comments" feed. So we can engage better for more activity beyond just posting stuff. Further, the "Messages" aren't functional if I can't determine which I read or not.
This is nonsense. I've contributed much to discuss. No one engages. I make suggestions. I show up to movie/TV nights and find people aren't even using chat. I try even when chatting to myself seems lame. We're all trying here. Point out whatever irony more, and be clear, and I'll do my best to understand.
It's a busy summer of exhausting hard labour. At present my time is limited. I do try because I care, though perhaps I could somehow do better with my tone.
Sorry you think I'm retarded with alzheimers. When you perpetually ignore my comments I don't know if you even read what I said if you're as busy as we all are. You don't even acknowledge when any of the ideas are good, bad, or ugly, much less even registering on your radar. I can't read minds or non-verbal signs on this text-based medium. Communication is a two way street.
I wouldn't go so far as to call it bad PR. I'm grateful you aired your issues - and it's fortunate I found them. I'm sorry you let it build up so much.
I'll refrain from sharing my Luddite views on your devs. I thought I was helping.
@LarrySwinger
Yes, I misspelled queue like a tard.
I like the idea of voting for features.
Equally important is having a roadmap. I tried for years to dev one with M7D3. M7 claimed to have had a plan. Doubt. I started a wiki of wanted features - from useful to stupid, all were welcome. Even the stupid ones might inspire better ideas and solutions. From those wishlists we could then prioritize the top 10 - and be working on the top 3 - so it's not as overwhelming.
Also, in addition to features, make wish lists for administration, GUI, community discipline, community building, public relations, etc. And have a central place organizing them all - on a wiki, a shared post, or whatever. We need a directory of all the useful info, along with links to deeper details.
I don't need an incentive. I need it to work (it didn't, but hope that has changed) - and I need control of my own drop-feed/list/cue. I don't want to be lumped in a que with everyone else. I want to be able to control and even reorder MY list (priorities and news change and develop). I want to control the drip timing (ie. every 3 hours) or know that there is a universal drip-drop and/or ratio-drop that applies to everyone.
All of that time when the post-whenever wasn't working was wasted time and tragically missed windows of opportunity to share info at a decent pace, not from a firehose. Fool me once, shame on me, cry wolf twice, and I won't post whatever bad metaphors again.
Do we even need more posts if the votes won't go up and this place looks like a ghost town? We need more community engagement. People need to feel like they belong and that they have a stake in the success of this site and that their voices and votes matter. Maybe we can develop creative ways to engage people. Unfortunately that requires time. I don't always have that. The post whenever would help - if it served folks' needs as well as the site's needs.
More subs =/= more better. Meta-tags are better and centralize the discussions. And not to beat the dead horse into paste but we need a "Comments" feed to let folks better engage discussions.
Good point. Address the issues I've expressed and that should help.
Showing code to folks who don't code doesn't help anything. Pointing out that it wasn't fair makes us question when it's ever fair. Be transparent (it seems you're trying) and be clear to non-coders.
It's also disappointing that I shared in Ideas4Matrix and seconds later it's downvoted, like whoever didn't even read it - and I'll never know who votes on what because of anonymity on an anonymous site? Doesn't make sense. We should be able to know who is voting on what.
@LarrySwinger
About to go to bed rn so really only skimming but what I can say is that post whenever works in my experience my stuff it got posted a few days after I put it in the queue.